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	<title>Comments on: Beware &#8211; Expanded Broad Match &#8211; Is Google Helping Advertisers?</title>
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		<title>By: JezC</title>
		<link>http://www.adwordshelpexperts.com/2009/03/expanded-broad-match-come-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-361</link>
		<dc:creator>JezC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott - economists have a general rule that the higher the number of participants in an auction, the higher the value of the auction. The broader the match, the more participants. So Broad Match is good for Google, as you point out.  

I&#039;m not at all convinced by your Post Scripts. I can and have been clicking on adverts in the AdWords User Interface, and the AdWords Editor without a fee, for many years. One of the experiments that I regularly repeat is to use rare keywords to detect geotargeting.  The only clicks that I get charged for are those from adverts shown in the search engine. I&#039;d love to know what experiments you conducted. I&#039;d be astonished if I&#039;ve missed something that significant for more than five years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott &#8211; economists have a general rule that the higher the number of participants in an auction, the higher the value of the auction. The broader the match, the more participants. So Broad Match is good for Google, as you point out.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all convinced by your Post Scripts. I can and have been clicking on adverts in the AdWords User Interface, and the AdWords Editor without a fee, for many years. One of the experiments that I regularly repeat is to use rare keywords to detect geotargeting.  The only clicks that I get charged for are those from adverts shown in the search engine. I&#8217;d love to know what experiments you conducted. I&#8217;d be astonished if I&#8217;ve missed something that significant for more than five years.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.adwordshelpexperts.com/2009/03/expanded-broad-match-come-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 04:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regularly get some nasty surprises from expanded broad match when I check my search query report, even though my negative keyword list is 600+ and counting. However, I don&#039;t have a good alternative for some of the same reasons pointed out by others. 

I don&#039;t expect this to change. Look at it from Google&#039;s perspective.

They sell us a product - advertising space. 

On any given day, they have a finite amount of this advertising space to sell in any market segment.

If they don&#039;t sell all of the space they have available, it&#039;s an opportunity lost to them forever.

Sales of broader, less specific keyword phrases are far more predictable than sales of 3,4 or 5 word niche phrases.

Consequently, Google seems to be encouraging the use of broader phrases by their advertisers so they have more options for any particular search.

None of this is good for us (fewer and fewer working keyword phrases in our markets to pick from and more competition for those phrases) but it makes perfect sense for Google, at least in the short term. In the long term, I predict that it will provoke a serious backlash, particularly if they don&#039;t let advertisers who so desire get back to more classic broad matching. Google is fortunate at this point that most advertisers aren&#039;t really aware of how badly their trust is being abused by expanded match.



P.S. 

1. How many of you out there know that if you log in to your campaign and click on one of the ad variations while working on your ad copy, you&#039;ll be charged for a click?

2. If you know this, can you tell me where Google warns you that this is the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regularly get some nasty surprises from expanded broad match when I check my search query report, even though my negative keyword list is 600+ and counting. However, I don&#8217;t have a good alternative for some of the same reasons pointed out by others. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect this to change. Look at it from Google&#8217;s perspective.</p>
<p>They sell us a product &#8211; advertising space. </p>
<p>On any given day, they have a finite amount of this advertising space to sell in any market segment.</p>
<p>If they don&#8217;t sell all of the space they have available, it&#8217;s an opportunity lost to them forever.</p>
<p>Sales of broader, less specific keyword phrases are far more predictable than sales of 3,4 or 5 word niche phrases.</p>
<p>Consequently, Google seems to be encouraging the use of broader phrases by their advertisers so they have more options for any particular search.</p>
<p>None of this is good for us (fewer and fewer working keyword phrases in our markets to pick from and more competition for those phrases) but it makes perfect sense for Google, at least in the short term. In the long term, I predict that it will provoke a serious backlash, particularly if they don&#8217;t let advertisers who so desire get back to more classic broad matching. Google is fortunate at this point that most advertisers aren&#8217;t really aware of how badly their trust is being abused by expanded match.</p>
<p>P.S. </p>
<p>1. How many of you out there know that if you log in to your campaign and click on one of the ad variations while working on your ad copy, you&#8217;ll be charged for a click?</p>
<p>2. If you know this, can you tell me where Google warns you that this is the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hale</title>
		<link>http://www.adwordshelpexperts.com/2009/03/expanded-broad-match-come-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-299</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first forays into expanded broad match were also not very impressive. But then I expected that, so they were not very aggressive forays ;-)

As in everything AdWords it all comes down to what you are trying to accomplish and how you are measuring it.

For relatively &quot;young&quot; accounts looking for direct marketing dollars today, as opposed to tomorrows brand awareness for instance, many of Google&#039;s &quot;optimization&quot; suggestions are losers because they are volume suggestions.

How to get &quot;more&quot; as opposed to &quot;better&quot;.

Quality Score on the other hand does address the &quot;better&quot; issue.

So like old fashion vanilla broad match, content and search network, etc; I  think Expanded Broad Match has a place, but should come with a lot more warnings about what that place is.

It sure isn&#039;t for newbies looking for direct marketing dollars.

-Tom Hale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first forays into expanded broad match were also not very impressive. But then I expected that, so they were not very aggressive forays <img src='http://www.adwordshelpexperts.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As in everything AdWords it all comes down to what you are trying to accomplish and how you are measuring it.</p>
<p>For relatively &#8220;young&#8221; accounts looking for direct marketing dollars today, as opposed to tomorrows brand awareness for instance, many of Google&#8217;s &#8220;optimization&#8221; suggestions are losers because they are volume suggestions.</p>
<p>How to get &#8220;more&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;better&#8221;.</p>
<p>Quality Score on the other hand does address the &#8220;better&#8221; issue.</p>
<p>So like old fashion vanilla broad match, content and search network, etc; I  think Expanded Broad Match has a place, but should come with a lot more warnings about what that place is.</p>
<p>It sure isn&#8217;t for newbies looking for direct marketing dollars.</p>
<p>-Tom Hale</p>
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		<title>By: Broad Match is giving me a headache &#171; John W Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Broad Match is giving me a headache &#171; John W Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Those changes are causing an increase in spend and a decrease in conversion, which means many marketers may be shutting down broad match soon. Especially, if the broad match (Advanced Match) changes [...]</description>
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		<title>By: You Missed The Golden Days of Internet Pay Per Click Advertising Circa 2003 &#124; GROWMAP.COM</title>
		<link>http://www.adwordshelpexperts.com/2009/03/expanded-broad-match-come-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>You Missed The Golden Days of Internet Pay Per Click Advertising Circa 2003 &#124; GROWMAP.COM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 09:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Beware - Expanded Broad Match - Is Google Helping Advertisers? (Mar 2, 2009) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: RBall</title>
		<link>http://www.adwordshelpexperts.com/2009/03/expanded-broad-match-come-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>RBall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 22:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL. Fraud match. Clever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL. Fraud match. Clever.</p>
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		<title>By: Stuart</title>
		<link>http://www.adwordshelpexperts.com/2009/03/expanded-broad-match-come-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I call it &quot;fraud match&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I call it &#8220;fraud match&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: RBall</title>
		<link>http://www.adwordshelpexperts.com/2009/03/expanded-broad-match-come-on-google/comment-page-1/#comment-192</link>
		<dc:creator>RBall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Martin - I think we&#039;ve had some good discussions in the old AdWords Help groups.  You are more than welcome here!  Thanks for adding to the conversation here.

Regarding broad match, I agree that expanded matching should be optional.  That&#039;s one of the features I requested when Google asked for feedback.  Will be interesting to see what AdWordsPro.Sarah tells us about that. See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/AdWords/thread?tid=41691aadbef97111&amp;hl=en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Top 2 Ideas From The AdWords Wish List &lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Martin &#8211; I think we&#8217;ve had some good discussions in the old AdWords Help groups.  You are more than welcome here!  Thanks for adding to the conversation here.</p>
<p>Regarding broad match, I agree that expanded matching should be optional.  That&#8217;s one of the features I requested when Google asked for feedback.  Will be interesting to see what AdWordsPro.Sarah tells us about that. See <a href="http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/AdWords/thread?tid=41691aadbef97111&#038;hl=en" rel="nofollow">Top 2 Ideas From The AdWords Wish List </a>.</p>
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		<title>By: JezC</title>
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		<dc:creator>JezC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Martin... At some point I&#039;ll release some of the tools that I use for managing accounts. Keyword management tools. Keyword management tools that reduce the time spent managing them ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Martin&#8230; At some point I&#8217;ll release some of the tools that I use for managing accounts. Keyword management tools. Keyword management tools that reduce the time spent managing them <img src='http://www.adwordshelpexperts.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MrsC: thanks for the reply - I look forward to reading more

JezC: I always keep an eye on yours and richards blogs as there is often some good info on them. I hadn&#039;t watched the beginner video until you pointed it out but now I&#039;ve watched it I think I would have found it useful when I was starting. One of the problems I had was that I inherited a poorly setup account and eventually had to scrap it altogether and start again on a new account.

Reading back through my posts I realise I missed an important point out. I need broad matches to cover all those phrases google say are not searched for enough but I DON&#039;T need expanded broad matching and DON&#039;T want it. I cannot imagine why anyone who can spend any time building their phrases would really want it and for those that cannot you are probably wasting your time with adwords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MrsC: thanks for the reply &#8211; I look forward to reading more</p>
<p>JezC: I always keep an eye on yours and richards blogs as there is often some good info on them. I hadn&#8217;t watched the beginner video until you pointed it out but now I&#8217;ve watched it I think I would have found it useful when I was starting. One of the problems I had was that I inherited a poorly setup account and eventually had to scrap it altogether and start again on a new account.</p>
<p>Reading back through my posts I realise I missed an important point out. I need broad matches to cover all those phrases google say are not searched for enough but I DON&#8217;T need expanded broad matching and DON&#8217;T want it. I cannot imagine why anyone who can spend any time building their phrases would really want it and for those that cannot you are probably wasting your time with adwords.</p>
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